фелдкурат О. Кац
11 Окт 2016 11:08

Banshee 11 Окт 2016 11:14
Стига сте се заяждали - мислете, кое е първичното - тракопитеците или неандертраките? Аз не знам, а Вие?
И какво е това "неандер" - немцизъм - не сте ли сторонник на баталията за пуризъм на тракския? /quote]

вложете повече мелодраматизъм,

като се знае за лирата му и за книгите

За дарданите:
http://www.thracians.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=369&Itemid=103
Вергилий нарича троянците дардани, а Троя Илион. Намираме Дардания на картата на мястото на Горна Мизия.
А Елена и Троя(н) по нашите балкани. Дали не са се оказали места, където са се заселили прокудените троянци?

облакосборецът Зевс е баща на Дардана известен.
Той основа град Дардания, а Илион благодатен
още не беше заселен от смъртните хора в полето

"Този Дардан е баща на прочутия цар Ерихтоний,
който е най-знаменит със богатство сред тленните хора:
имал три хиляди кипри кобили на паша в полето,
всички наперено горди със своите кончета малки.
В тях и Борей се бе влюбил, когато пасяха в полето.
С образ на кон тъмногривест оплождаше тези кобили. "

"Скоро Еней ще царува всевластно над всички троянци
и ще царуват деца от децата, които ще има."

Но Илия е един вид Хелиос, древният Илион е наречен така на бога на слънцето.

Страбон: ” Много са имената общи за траки и троянци, ето например скаи – тракийско племе, а също река Скайос, Скайска стена и Скайски порти в Троя. Траки наречени ксанти и река Ксантос в Троя. Арисбос се влива в Хеброс, а Арисба се намира в Троя, там е и река Резос, а Резос е и цар на траките” – “There are many names common to Thracians and Trojans, as Scaei, a Thracian tribe, a river Scaeus, a Scaean wall, and in Troy, Scaean gates. There are Thracians called Xanthii, and a riverXanthus in Troja; an Arisbus which discharges itself into the Hebrus, and an Arisbe in Troja , a river Rhesus in Troja, and Rhesus, a king of the Thracians”.

In the interval between Lampsacus and Parium lay a city and river called Paesus; but the city is in ruins. The Paeseni changed their abode to Lampsacus, they too being colonists from the Milesians, like the Lampsaceni. But the poet refers to the place in two ways, at one time adding the first syllable, "and the land of Apaesus," and at another omitting it, "a man of many possessions, who dwelt in Paesus." And the river is now spelled in the latter way. Colonae, which lies above Lampsacus in the interior of Lampsacenê, is also a colony of the Milesians; and there is another Colonae on the outer Hellespontine sea, which is one hundred and forty stadia distant from Ilium and is said to be the birthplace of Cycnus. Anaximenes says that there are also places in the Erythraean territory and in Phocis and in Thessaly that are called Colonae. And there is an Iliocolonê in the territory of Parium. In the territory of Lampsacus is a place called Gergithium90 which is rich in vines; and there was also a city called Gergitha from Gergithes in the territory of Cymê, for here too there was a city called Gergithes, in the feminine plural, the birthplace of Cephalon the Gergithian. And still to‑day a place called Gergithium is pointed out in the territory of Cymê near Larissa. Now Neoptolemus, called the Glossographer, a notable man, was from Parium; and Charon the historian and Adeimantus and Anaximenes the rhetorician and Metrodorus the comrade of Epicurus were from Lampsacus; and Epicurus himself was in a sense a Lampsacenian, having lived in Lampsacus and having been on intimate terms with the ablest men of that city, Idomeneus and Leonteus and their followers. It was from here that Agrippa transported the Fallen Lion, a work of Lysippus; and he dedicated it in the sacred precinct between the Lake and the Euripus.

After Lampsacus come Abydus and the intervening places of which the poet, who comprises with them the territory of Lampsacus and part of the territory of Parium (for these two cities were not yet in existence in the Trojan times), speaks as follows: "And those who dwelt about Percotê and Practius, and held Sestus and Abydus and goodly Arisbê — these in turn were led by Asius, the son of Hyrtacus, . . . who was brought by his large sorrel horses from Arisbê, from the River Sellëeis."In speaking thus, the poet seems to set forth Arisbê, whence he says Asius came, as the royal residence of Asius: "who was brought by his horses from Arisbê, from the River Sellëeis." But these places are so obscure that even investigators do not agree about them, except that they are in the neighbourhood of Abydus and Lampsacus and Parium, and that the old Percotê, the site, underwent a change of name.
Of the rivers, the Sellëeis flows near Arisbê, as the poet says, if it be true that Asius came both from Arisbê and from the Sellëeis River. The River Practius is indeed in existence, but no city of that name is to be found, as some have wrongly thought. This river also flows between Abydus and Lampsacus. Accordingly, the words, "and dwelt about Practius," should be interpreted as applying to a river, as should also those other words, "and those who dwelt beside the goodly Cephisus River," "those who had their famed estates about the Parthenius River." There was also a city Arisba in Lesbos, whose territory is occupied by the Methymnaeans. And there is an Arisbus River in Thrace, as I have said before, near which are situated the Thracian Cebrenians. There are many names common to the Thracians and the Trojans; for example, there are Thracians called Scaeans, and a river Scaeus, and a Scaean Wall, and at Troy the Scaean Gates. And there are Thracian Xanthians, and in Troy-land a river Xanthus. And in Troy-land there is a river Arisbus which empties into the Hebrus, as also a city Arisbê. And there was a river Rhesus in Troy-land; and there was a Rhesus who was the king of the Thracians. And there is also, of the same name as this Asius, another Asius in Homer, "who was maternal uncle to horse-taming Hector, and own brother to Hecabê, but son of Dymas, who dwelt in Phrygia by the streams of the Sangarius.

Никъде не казва, че троянците са траки