Патагонец 11 Юни 2017 20:18
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Аргументите срещу
Гладоморът в САЩ: 7 милиона американци намират смъртта си през 1932-33 г.
са:
1. Намалялата имиграция с около 4 000 000.
2. Обратната имиграция, за която не намерих точни данни, но е упомената в източниците
3. Депортациите на чужденци, предимно мексиканци между 500 000 и 2 000 000.
4. Официалните статистически данни за населението на САЩ от този период

След като числото 7 милиона само по себе си е лъжливо, защото не отчита най-малко драстичния спад в имиграцията, защо тогава да вярвам на другите заключения?[/u]
Твърди се, че има фалшифицирани данни, но къде са доказателствата? Има ли проучвани регистри за отделните щати/ населени места, които да са сравнени с официалните и да са открити различия?

Като се говори за значителен брой трябва да се цитира поне някакъв порядък: 100 000, 200 000, 1 000 000? Много съмнително е американските изследователи да са проучвали регистрите и да пропуснали такъв значителен брой умрели от глад.

Причината за туберколозата е бацил, а и по това време имало процентно много малко излекували дори при най-доброто лечение.

Предполагам, че ако някой заяви, че Сталин умишлено е предизвикал глада в Украйна с цел да изтреби няколко милиона украинци,

Some scholars believe that the famine was planned by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.[12][23][24] Using Holodomor in reference to the famine emphasises its man-made aspects, arguing that actions such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs, and restriction of population movement confer intent, defining the famine as genocide; the loss of life has been compared to that of the Holocaust.[25][26][27][28]

Предполагам, че пак ще кажете, че статистиките са подправени.

Of course, different opinions may arise over these words. It is unlikely that Washington will agree with these allegations, presenting their own point of view, as always confirmed by the “official statistics.” However, the official version, under orders from the White House, could be tossed around to fit the situation for Washington, and always provide the one that is “needed today.”

And therefore we will not wait for this rigged information from Washington and just look at it ourselves and see what is happening today in the US, not according to the official answers, controlled by the White House, but to the reports of the US media http://journal-neo.org/2016/01/05/holodomor-in-the-united-states/

“The commission put together by the congress of USA in 1988 concluded that during the years of the holodomor, a quarter of Ukraine’s population – millions of Ukrainians did not die from famine due to bad harvest, but were purposefully destroyed by the soviet government by the use of genocide.”

“On October 20, 2003 the USA Congress House of Representatives adopted a resolution on the holodomor of 1932-1933 in Ukraine, which accepted it to be an act of terror and genocide against the Ukrainian people.
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Such news overflow the mass media, are widely cited by the press, promoted on television and through human rights agencies and are injected into the minds of millions of people around the world.

[All serious scientists, including American scientists state that the “Ukrainian Holodomor” was not genocide and its “many millions of victims” are nothing more than a falsification. There was a famine in Ukraine in 1932, but it was not intended. Except for war time, this was the only famine in the entire history of the USSR. However, during the Czar’s rule, famines of equal or greater scales occurred every ten years. Interestingly, this fact is never mentioned in the media. – editor]

But one thing is never discussed in the news: why is the US Congress paying so much attention to events that went on in a distant part of the world over 75 years ago? Why didn’t the Americans protest then, in 1932/33, and only came around 55 years later? Perhaps the US Senators are driven by their deep humanitarian beliefs? In that case, why are there no resolutions where the systemic extermination of the Native American population is honestly called “genocide”? As a result of this extermination, most of the nations populating the American continent were entirely destroyed and the population of the remaining nations was systematically decreased to approximately 1/100 of their original size.

In American history there exists another crime committed by the government against its own people.
This crime is the Great American Holodomor of 1932/33, which resulted in the deaths of millions of US citizens.

This event was never mentioned in condemning resolutions or political speeches. There are no memorials that commemorate the deaths of millions. There is no official memory of this great tragedy. All evidence was removed from official records, statistics and archives, masked by stories of Roosevelt’s greatness and the good that his “work brigades” brought to everyone. But of course, it is only “in the Soviet Union that millions of men, women and children were innocent victims of merciless actions planned by a tyrannical totalitarist regime” and such events never happened in America.

In American history there exists another crime committed by the government against its own people.
This crime is the Great American Holodomor of 1932/33, which resulted in the deaths of millions of US citizens.
This event was never mentioned in condemning resolutions or political speeches. There are no memorials that commemorate the deaths of millions. There is no official memory of this great tragedy. All evidence was removed from official records, statistics and archives, masked by stories of Roosevelt’s greatness and the good that his “work brigades” brought to everyone. But of course, it is only “in the Soviet Union that millions of men, women and children were innocent victims of merciless actions planned by a tyrannical totalitarist regime” and such events never happened in America.

Без да споря за това колко удачна е методологията за Украйна , само ще посоча, че методологията на Борисов не отчита намалената миграция и наличната информация за намалената раждаемост, когато поставя американската статистика за смъртността под въпрос. Той не поставя и въпроса за мъртвородените деца в САЩ през тоя период.